Greetings all,
Member of Servants of the Light here, thought I would take a moment to say hello and to congratulate you all on the magnificent fruits of such hard labors.
Congrats and well wishes
In Light,
Solan
Hi Solan!
Welcome in our Forum.
Although I`m not a menber of SOL directly but a student of BOEL
greetings back to the far away lightbearers in U.S.
In light
Runael
Welcome in our Forum.
Although I`m not a menber of SOL directly but a student of BOEL
greetings back to the far away lightbearers in U.S.In light
Runael
Hello Solan,
and welcome to our new international forum!
> Congrats and well wishes
Thank you!
Where in the US are you?
In Light,
Andrea
and welcome to our new international forum!
> Congrats and well wishes
Thank you!
Where in the US are you?
In Light,
Andrea
Andrea,
Best way for me to describe it is that I am in the beautiful mountain area of the Shenandoah Valley not too far from Washington D.C.
In Light,
Solan
Best way for me to describe it is that I am in the beautiful mountain area of the Shenandoah Valley not too far from Washington D.C.
In Light,
Solan
Hello Solan,
this sounds marvellous.
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Andrea
this sounds marvellous.
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Andrea
Hello Solan,
Welcome in our forum and thank you for your kind words.
In Light
Salomo
Welcome in our forum and thank you for your kind words.
In Light
Salomo
Andrea,
I have to admit, the natural surroundings here are pretty amazing with many Government recognized National Forrest's surrounding us.
Salomo,
Thank you for such a warm welcome.
In Light,
Solan
I have to admit, the natural surroundings here are pretty amazing with many Government recognized National Forrest's surrounding us.
Salomo,
Thank you for such a warm welcome.
In Light,
Solan
Hi Solan,
that's nice to hear! Do you enjoy being outdoors? Walks in the woods and the like? Your area would be Virginia, then?
Where I live it's quite nice as well - we've got hills and forests (and a number of tourists as well), but no national park kind of thing, although some smaller areas are protected / recognized.
In Light,
Andrea
that's nice to hear! Do you enjoy being outdoors? Walks in the woods and the like? Your area would be Virginia, then?
Where I live it's quite nice as well - we've got hills and forests (and a number of tourists as well
), but no national park kind of thing, although some smaller areas are protected / recognized. In Light,
Andrea
Hello Andrea,
You would be correct in saying that I am from Va.
The fact that I live in such a rural area, (Town population is only about 2,000), the love for being outdoors is almost a prerequisite to living here. I spend as much time outside as is possible, camping, hiking, meditating, or merely just sitting on our porch taking in the view.
The area in which you live sounds very pleasant as well. Do you enjoy being outdoors and such when possible? Do you ever get to go camping or hiking much?
In Light,
Solan
You would be correct in saying that I am from Va.
The fact that I live in such a rural area, (Town population is only about 2,000), the love for being outdoors is almost a prerequisite to living here. I spend as much time outside as is possible, camping, hiking, meditating, or merely just sitting on our porch taking in the view.
The area in which you live sounds very pleasant as well. Do you enjoy being outdoors and such when possible? Do you ever get to go camping or hiking much?
In Light,
Solan
Hello Solan,
> The fact that I live in such a rural area, (Town population is only about 2,000), the love for being outdoors is almost a prerequisite to living here
I see your point ;-)
That is a small town indeed. Do you work there as well?
The city I live in has a population of about 350,000 which means that the popular areas of the forest are rather crowded at popular times of day (or night, as it were) ;-)
The trick for walks in the woods the way I like them is to be familiar with the not-so-well-known areas of the woods and to have time when no-one else has - which is a bit tricky since I have a job to attend to.
Although I would not call that "hiking" (I am not sure if that is the right term?), but yes - I enjoy being outdoors and I enjoy long walks in the woods when I have some spare time to do it. I like the silence and peacefulness and I am quite fond of trees
Camping - not so much, due to the rather crowded woods in my area. Only when on holidays, and the last time was long ago. (But it was wonderful, and also fun - we slept in the woods only with a mat and a blanket and a ... how do you call a tent without "walls" - it was just something over our heads against potential rain, gently fixed at trees with strong string). This was of course not in my area - our woods are too crowded to stay undisturbed even during one night.)
In the last years I spent my holidays with the annual nine day Temple event of our Brotherhood, as it were - which was fantastic but admittedly tended to be rather indoors ;-)
How "crowded" are your woods and forests? I could imagine that in National Parks there are some more people there? Probably even then not as many here, what with people walking their dogs, joggers etc.
In Light,
Andrea
> The fact that I live in such a rural area, (Town population is only about 2,000), the love for being outdoors is almost a prerequisite to living here
I see your point ;-)
That is a small town indeed. Do you work there as well?
The city I live in has a population of about 350,000 which means that the popular areas of the forest are rather crowded at popular times of day (or night, as it were) ;-)
The trick for walks in the woods the way I like them is to be familiar with the not-so-well-known areas of the woods and to have time when no-one else has - which is a bit tricky since I have a job to attend to.
Although I would not call that "hiking" (I am not sure if that is the right term?), but yes - I enjoy being outdoors and I enjoy long walks in the woods when I have some spare time to do it. I like the silence and peacefulness and I am quite fond of trees
Camping - not so much, due to the rather crowded woods in my area. Only when on holidays, and the last time was long ago. (But it was wonderful, and also fun - we slept in the woods only with a mat and a blanket and a ... how do you call a tent without "walls" - it was just something over our heads against potential rain, gently fixed at trees with strong string). This was of course not in my area - our woods are too crowded to stay undisturbed even during one night.)
In the last years I spent my holidays with the annual nine day Temple event of our Brotherhood, as it were - which was fantastic but admittedly tended to be rather indoors ;-)
How "crowded" are your woods and forests? I could imagine that in National Parks there are some more people there? Probably even then not as many here, what with people walking their dogs, joggers etc.
In Light,
Andrea
Hello Andrea,
It's funny that you should mention that the city you are in has a population of 350,000 because to show you just how rural my area, our entire county which consists of approximately 500 square miles of territory has only a population of about 50,000.
I don't work in my town, but I do work in my county which means I have about a forty mile drive one way each day.
As to the national forests being crowded, even when busy it is not very hard to find a secluded spot. We literally are surrounded by National Forrest's. It's very simple for us to make a 10 minute drive to go camping for the weekend and not see a single person while there.
It's interesting because it appears that we each live at the diametrically opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to the wilderness. I could not imagine having to carefully plan a moment alone in the wild, or even just in a tree lined area for that matter. Although there have been times in my life where I lived in the Northern states that I have had to experience just that, so I do understand how hard it can be sometimes.
Being in such a large metropolis is your commute to work a short one? Living in such populated areas does have it's perks. :)
In Light,
Kristian
It's funny that you should mention that the city you are in has a population of 350,000 because to show you just how rural my area, our entire county which consists of approximately 500 square miles of territory has only a population of about 50,000.
I don't work in my town, but I do work in my county which means I have about a forty mile drive one way each day.
As to the national forests being crowded, even when busy it is not very hard to find a secluded spot. We literally are surrounded by National Forrest's. It's very simple for us to make a 10 minute drive to go camping for the weekend and not see a single person while there.
It's interesting because it appears that we each live at the diametrically opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to the wilderness. I could not imagine having to carefully plan a moment alone in the wild, or even just in a tree lined area for that matter. Although there have been times in my life where I lived in the Northern states that I have had to experience just that, so I do understand how hard it can be sometimes.
Being in such a large metropolis is your commute to work a short one? Living in such populated areas does have it's perks. :)
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
the comparison between our living areas is really interesting!
In fact, North Rhine-Westphalia (the state of Germany I live in) is the most populous one (number of inhabitants in relation to size).
It has a population of approx. 18 million inhabitants, and comprises a land area of 34,083 km² (the source I used says that this would be 13,158 square miles - I cannot tell whether this is right but I think this gives you an idea of the area I live either way
Compared to this, 500 square miles with a population of 50,000 is somewhat hard for me to imagine - nevertheless this imagination certainly does have an appeal!
40 miles is quite a distance to commute, although an increasing number of people around here have similar or even greater distances to cope with - the reasons here are the difficulties in the employment market: it is often hard to find a suitable job nearby, or any job at all - high unemployment etc - whereas 40 miles one way are probably for your area quite a normal distance?
> It's very simple for us to make a 10 minute drive to go camping for
> the weekend and not see a single person while there.
sounds wonderful!
You can have that in Germany too - or at least nearly so - but not in my area, obviously ;-) In some parts of eastern Germany, and also partially in the South, one may succeed in finding a suitable area for that kind of experience.
> It's interesting because it appears that we each live at the
> diametrically opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to the
> wilderness
yes, indeed!
> Although there have been times in my life where I lived in the
> Northern states that I have had to experience just that, so I do
> understand how hard it can be sometimes.
I see. And you are absolutely right, experiencing things helps in understanding - one of our learning tasks here in Assiah, the world of action.
If you don't mind me asking: where were you living before? I mean, you have got quite a lot of North available in the US ;-)
I just looked it up: Generally there tends to a population density that any North Rhine-Westphalian person would prefer to call a "width" rather than a density ;-)
Although I could imagine there are disadvantages as well, with so few people living around.
> Being in such a large metropolis is your commute to work a short one?
> Living in such populated areas does have it's perks.
Yes, you are absolutely right here it really does.
From door to door I have to commute for about 45 minutes using public transport (tram) - I do not have a car but give or take a few minutes it would probably not make such a big difference considering traffic jams and the usual traffic-lights-going-red-when-they-see-your-car and everything - and at least I can bring a book and read a bit, and / or try to wake up properly ;-)
How much time do you need for your 40 miles? It is mainly country roads or highway, I suppose?
In LIght,
Andrea
the comparison between our living areas is really interesting!
In fact, North Rhine-Westphalia (the state of Germany I live in) is the most populous one (number of inhabitants in relation to size).
It has a population of approx. 18 million inhabitants, and comprises a land area of 34,083 km² (the source I used says that this would be 13,158 square miles - I cannot tell whether this is right but I think this gives you an idea of the area I live either way
Compared to this, 500 square miles with a population of 50,000 is somewhat hard for me to imagine - nevertheless this imagination certainly does have an appeal!
40 miles is quite a distance to commute, although an increasing number of people around here have similar or even greater distances to cope with - the reasons here are the difficulties in the employment market: it is often hard to find a suitable job nearby, or any job at all - high unemployment etc - whereas 40 miles one way are probably for your area quite a normal distance?
> It's very simple for us to make a 10 minute drive to go camping for
> the weekend and not see a single person while there.
sounds wonderful!
You can have that in Germany too - or at least nearly so - but not in my area, obviously ;-) In some parts of eastern Germany, and also partially in the South, one may succeed in finding a suitable area for that kind of experience.
> It's interesting because it appears that we each live at the
> diametrically opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to the
> wilderness
yes, indeed!
> Although there have been times in my life where I lived in the
> Northern states that I have had to experience just that, so I do
> understand how hard it can be sometimes.
I see. And you are absolutely right, experiencing things helps in understanding - one of our learning tasks here in Assiah, the world of action.
If you don't mind me asking: where were you living before? I mean, you have got quite a lot of North available in the US ;-)
I just looked it up: Generally there tends to a population density that any North Rhine-Westphalian person would prefer to call a "width" rather than a density ;-)
Although I could imagine there are disadvantages as well, with so few people living around.
> Being in such a large metropolis is your commute to work a short one?
> Living in such populated areas does have it's perks.
Yes, you are absolutely right here
it really does. From door to door I have to commute for about 45 minutes using public transport (tram) - I do not have a car but give or take a few minutes it would probably not make such a big difference considering traffic jams and the usual traffic-lights-going-red-when-they-see-your-car and everything - and at least I can bring a book and read a bit, and / or try to wake up properly ;-)
How much time do you need for your 40 miles? It is mainly country roads or highway, I suppose?
In LIght,
Andrea
Hello Andrea,
-whereas 40 miles one way are probably for your area quite a normal distance?
This all comes down to age in our area really. Younger people tend to strive for the jobs that are the greater distances away from home, as to where the older generations tend to be relatively closer.
-If you don't mind me asking: where were you living before?
I don't mind at all, I was living in Massachusetts, very close to Boston. I lived there for a few short years after graduating from high school and journeyed from where I am now to there.
-How much time do you need for your 40 miles? It is mainly country roads or highway, I suppose?
Commute times seem to be the same, so I guess in the end it all evens out.
My 40 mile commute generally takes me about 35-40 minutes depending on the traffic. It is indeed on the highway, this ease in transit though is due to a move we made a few years ago, before I would have had almost an hour if not more for the same journey, due to having to negotiate a tricky mountain road.
Riding a commuter train does sound nice though, the chance to read and properly wake up would be a great luxury, although I'm sure the luxury lies in just how crowded things are that day.
-Although I could imagine there are disadvantages as well, with so few people living around.
This is the greatest drawback to living in our area. We sadly lack the population that one would find when seeking those that think along the same lines as those here. Life tends to "stick" waiting for a strong enough push to move it along. While it's a joy to be able to live a relaxed slow pace life, it would be much better to enjoy it in a way that allows for broader viewpoints on the world.
In Light,
Kristian
-whereas 40 miles one way are probably for your area quite a normal distance?
This all comes down to age in our area really. Younger people tend to strive for the jobs that are the greater distances away from home, as to where the older generations tend to be relatively closer.
-If you don't mind me asking: where were you living before?
I don't mind at all, I was living in Massachusetts, very close to Boston. I lived there for a few short years after graduating from high school and journeyed from where I am now to there.
-How much time do you need for your 40 miles? It is mainly country roads or highway, I suppose?
Commute times seem to be the same, so I guess in the end it all evens out.
My 40 mile commute generally takes me about 35-40 minutes depending on the traffic. It is indeed on the highway, this ease in transit though is due to a move we made a few years ago, before I would have had almost an hour if not more for the same journey, due to having to negotiate a tricky mountain road.
Riding a commuter train does sound nice though, the chance to read and properly wake up would be a great luxury, although I'm sure the luxury lies in just how crowded things are that day.
-Although I could imagine there are disadvantages as well, with so few people living around.
This is the greatest drawback to living in our area. We sadly lack the population that one would find when seeking those that think along the same lines as those here. Life tends to "stick" waiting for a strong enough push to move it along. While it's a joy to be able to live a relaxed slow pace life, it would be much better to enjoy it in a way that allows for broader viewpoints on the world.
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
> This all comes down to age in our area really.
> Younger people tend to strive for the jobs that
> are the greater distances away from home, as to
> where the older generations tend to be relatively closer.
this is quite interesting. On the other hand, it might be easier to commute greater distances when you are young and probably more of the younger people do not mind the extra effort. Do you suppose there could be other reasons as well, like the more interesting jobs are probably found in the rather bigger towns / cities which are probably farther away?
Or do you think younger people try to escape from home by striving for the greater distances?
As to Massachusetts, it has indeed a very high population density compared to VA, in fact one of the highest in the US, or so my encyclopedical source says. So you really aimed at experiencing the diametrical opposite and chose a really far distance yourself ;-)
commute times: I see
> Riding a commuter train does sound nice though, the chance to
> read and properly wake up would be a great luxury, although I'm
> sure the luxury lies in just how crowded things are that day.
that's right, but if I am very early in the morning (and I really mean very early) then the tram is usually rather empty. But never in the afternoons, though.
> Life tends to "stick" waiting for a strong enough push to move it along.
> While it's a joy to be able to live a relaxed slow pace life, it would be
> much better to enjoy it in a way that allows for broader viewpoints
> on the world.
yes, I see. Does using the internet help in any way?
You do have broadband access in your area, haven't you? In Germany the more rural areas were the last to gain broadband and it took quite a while (probably still does, in a few areas) but I think in the US the whole process began and therefore finished some years earlier?
Although a computer certainly cannot beat personal contact in the flesh, it might help finding like-minded people.
On the other hand, when it comes down to the occult, here in Germany it is hard to find like-minded people in one's own area, even if it is in a so densely populated area as in North Rhine-Westphalia. And if you do find like-minded people this does not necessarily mean they are as serious and as devoted to the mysteries as one rather would prefer... at least that is my experience.
How long have you been on the path of western mysteries, and what brought you on this path?
In Light,
Andrea
> This all comes down to age in our area really.
> Younger people tend to strive for the jobs that
> are the greater distances away from home, as to
> where the older generations tend to be relatively closer.
this is quite interesting. On the other hand, it might be easier to commute greater distances when you are young and probably more of the younger people do not mind the extra effort. Do you suppose there could be other reasons as well, like the more interesting jobs are probably found in the rather bigger towns / cities which are probably farther away?
Or do you think younger people try to escape from home by striving for the greater distances?
As to Massachusetts, it has indeed a very high population density compared to VA, in fact one of the highest in the US, or so my encyclopedical source says. So you really aimed at experiencing the diametrical opposite and chose a really far distance yourself ;-)
commute times: I see
> Riding a commuter train does sound nice though, the chance to
> read and properly wake up would be a great luxury, although I'm
> sure the luxury lies in just how crowded things are that day.
that's right, but if I am very early in the morning (and I really mean very early) then the tram is usually rather empty. But never in the afternoons, though.
> Life tends to "stick" waiting for a strong enough push to move it along.
> While it's a joy to be able to live a relaxed slow pace life, it would be
> much better to enjoy it in a way that allows for broader viewpoints
> on the world.
yes, I see. Does using the internet help in any way?
You do have broadband access in your area, haven't you? In Germany the more rural areas were the last to gain broadband and it took quite a while (probably still does, in a few areas) but I think in the US the whole process began and therefore finished some years earlier?
Although a computer certainly cannot beat personal contact in the flesh, it might help finding like-minded people.
On the other hand, when it comes down to the occult, here in Germany it is hard to find like-minded people in one's own area, even if it is in a so densely populated area as in North Rhine-Westphalia. And if you do find like-minded people this does not necessarily mean they are as serious and as devoted to the mysteries as one rather would prefer... at least that is my experience.
How long have you been on the path of western mysteries, and what brought you on this path?
In Light,
Andrea
Greetings Andrea,
I'm really enjoying this exchange of perspective! It's quite interesting to learn the similarities as well as to to see the differences in life.
-Do you suppose there could be other reasons as well, like the more interesting jobs are probably found in the rather bigger towns / cities which are probably farther away?
Or do you think younger people try to escape from home by striving for the greater distances?
I feel that there is a combination of both here. Partly because the younger generations are seeking to find a new way. By that I mean they do not desire to grow up with the idea of doing what there parents did, by simply settling for a factory job or the like. In addition to this their has also been more opportunity for continued education among many of the younger adults here, this is something that earlier generations did not have available to them as well. So you find the older generations working closer to home due to the fact that they took jobs in factories, or were raised within certain vocations, as to where the younger adults have more education and can reach out for newer jobs not available to those without the schooling. Although this does not mean that all young adults are in this situation. Many are still in the position of finding factory jobs and the like, but in order to find those with higher wages you must travel.
-Does using the internet help in any way?
You do have broadband access in your area, haven't you? In Germany the more rural areas were the last to gain broadband and it took quite a while (probably still does, in a few areas) but I think in the US the whole process began and therefore finished some years earlier?
Yes the internet helps very much, and was how I ended up becoming a member of S.O.L. We do have broadband here, and thankfully they are increasing the speeds all the time :). This though makes it hard when you are like myself and are like an island in the middle of the ocean so to speak. My only form of communication with those of like mind, other than with those in my home, is through the internet. My experiences on coming across the few people who are interested match your experiences there. Not many are as dedicated as one would like.
-How long have you been on the path of western mysteries, and what brought you on this path?
I have to be careful with this question because it can lead to a rather long,boring reply, and I do not desire to either bore you, nor take up an enormous amount of your time. :)
Seriously though, if I were to speak of formal training, I have been involved with S.O.L. for almost 5 years, prior to that I spent roughly 5 years training in an Alexandrian Coven. Prior to these I began studying and practicing privately by myself at the age of 14. What brought me here was a deep inner drive that I can't truly explain that was present for a long time before submitting to it at the age of 14.
What about yourself? How long have you been on this path? And what brought you to it?
In Light,
Kristian
I'm really enjoying this exchange of perspective! It's quite interesting to learn the similarities as well as to to see the differences in life.
-Do you suppose there could be other reasons as well, like the more interesting jobs are probably found in the rather bigger towns / cities which are probably farther away?
Or do you think younger people try to escape from home by striving for the greater distances?
I feel that there is a combination of both here. Partly because the younger generations are seeking to find a new way. By that I mean they do not desire to grow up with the idea of doing what there parents did, by simply settling for a factory job or the like. In addition to this their has also been more opportunity for continued education among many of the younger adults here, this is something that earlier generations did not have available to them as well. So you find the older generations working closer to home due to the fact that they took jobs in factories, or were raised within certain vocations, as to where the younger adults have more education and can reach out for newer jobs not available to those without the schooling. Although this does not mean that all young adults are in this situation. Many are still in the position of finding factory jobs and the like, but in order to find those with higher wages you must travel.
-Does using the internet help in any way?
You do have broadband access in your area, haven't you? In Germany the more rural areas were the last to gain broadband and it took quite a while (probably still does, in a few areas) but I think in the US the whole process began and therefore finished some years earlier?
Yes the internet helps very much, and was how I ended up becoming a member of S.O.L. We do have broadband here, and thankfully they are increasing the speeds all the time :). This though makes it hard when you are like myself and are like an island in the middle of the ocean so to speak. My only form of communication with those of like mind, other than with those in my home, is through the internet. My experiences on coming across the few people who are interested match your experiences there. Not many are as dedicated as one would like.
-How long have you been on the path of western mysteries, and what brought you on this path?
I have to be careful with this question because it can lead to a rather long,boring reply, and I do not desire to either bore you, nor take up an enormous amount of your time. :)
Seriously though, if I were to speak of formal training, I have been involved with S.O.L. for almost 5 years, prior to that I spent roughly 5 years training in an Alexandrian Coven. Prior to these I began studying and practicing privately by myself at the age of 14. What brought me here was a deep inner drive that I can't truly explain that was present for a long time before submitting to it at the age of 14.
What about yourself? How long have you been on this path? And what brought you to it?
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
sorry for my late reply, there are currently too many things demanding attention...
I enjoy our exchange as well and I find your elucidations very interesting. I think you are right in pointing out the several aspects you mentioned - and I see that I forgot about some aspects of the rather rural circumstances in your area: it is a bit like a travel into the past (and into my own personal past as well), since further education indeed is not so readily available in these areas, and probably people there tend to live a bit more conservative, too - as you mentioned before, life is a bit slower maybe than it is in the cities. I never lived in a rural area but in a small town when I was a child and youth, and now that you mention it I realise I had to go to another town for further education at some point as well. And this small town was a bit coservative as well, on the whole.You really have to make the effort, yes... I remember I had a bit of a controversial about doing so with my parents who wanted me to rather take on a job and make some money... Now I remember it I know once more why I prefered to forget it ;-)
as to the path of western mysteries: We are quite similar here. I also felt this "deep inner drive" quite early in my life, as a teenager, and started to read all sorts of books (esoteric and non-esoteric). I was involved with Wicca, too, but only for a short while, and not within a Coven but a handful of "single witches", in a way ;-) Then I joined a shamanic group for some years (shamanic journeys, sweat lodges based on the Bear Tribe tradition) - interesting since this is Native American, after all, whereas your Alexandrian Wicca is rather a European thing, isn't it ;-)
In shamanism I felt a lack of something I could not name, but there was a gap in the concept, something very important was missing - so I searched for and found some more paths - but this "something" was missing in all of them. After some years of experiencing with the Craft and within another small group working with dreams and OBE I finally found the SOL. I became a student in 2007 and made contact with the German SOL Lodge Chayot ha-Qodesh soon after, and then I joined their outer court, and meanwhile the Lodge has founded a school on its own, and here we are now with this new international platform going out into the world!
And it was here, within the outer court training of the Lodge, that I finally found what I had been looking for for so long: access to the spiritual level. And for this, I am deeply grateful. Qabbalah has now become the main focus of my work and of my life.
Well, this is my story - and so here we both are and we finally met ;-) Fantastic thing, the internet!
In Light,
Andrea
sorry for my late reply, there are currently too many things demanding attention...
I enjoy our exchange as well and I find your elucidations very interesting. I think you are right in pointing out the several aspects you mentioned - and I see that I forgot about some aspects of the rather rural circumstances in your area: it is a bit like a travel into the past (and into my own personal past as well), since further education indeed is not so readily available in these areas, and probably people there tend to live a bit more conservative, too - as you mentioned before, life is a bit slower maybe than it is in the cities. I never lived in a rural area but in a small town when I was a child and youth, and now that you mention it I realise I had to go to another town for further education at some point as well. And this small town was a bit coservative as well, on the whole.You really have to make the effort, yes... I remember I had a bit of a controversial about doing so with my parents who wanted me to rather take on a job and make some money... Now I remember it I know once more why I prefered to forget it ;-)
as to the path of western mysteries: We are quite similar here. I also felt this "deep inner drive" quite early in my life, as a teenager, and started to read all sorts of books (esoteric and non-esoteric). I was involved with Wicca, too, but only for a short while, and not within a Coven but a handful of "single witches", in a way ;-) Then I joined a shamanic group for some years (shamanic journeys, sweat lodges based on the Bear Tribe tradition) - interesting since this is Native American, after all, whereas your Alexandrian Wicca is rather a European thing, isn't it ;-)
In shamanism I felt a lack of something I could not name, but there was a gap in the concept, something very important was missing - so I searched for and found some more paths - but this "something" was missing in all of them. After some years of experiencing with the Craft and within another small group working with dreams and OBE I finally found the SOL. I became a student in 2007 and made contact with the German SOL Lodge Chayot ha-Qodesh soon after, and then I joined their outer court, and meanwhile the Lodge has founded a school on its own, and here we are now with this new international platform going out into the world!
And it was here, within the outer court training of the Lodge, that I finally found what I had been looking for for so long: access to the spiritual level. And for this, I am deeply grateful. Qabbalah has now become the main focus of my work and of my life.
Well, this is my story - and so here we both are and we finally met ;-) Fantastic thing, the internet!
In Light,
Andrea
Hello Andrea,
Please don't apologize for needing to tend to life, that's what we are all here for after all :).
I find the parallels in the subjects we've been speaking of quite intriguing. It reinforces for me the fact that no matter where you are in this big wide world, the struggles and trials of life are still the same. All the more reason to remember the beauty that lies in the interconnectedness of us all :)
The parallels you outlined concerning my seeking out a European path and you a Native American one is quite interesting. Is the Bear Tradition widely known there?
This parallel reminds me of something that I believe it was Dolores had briefly stated concerning the Celtic traditions and people seeking out a different tradition to work with at first. She has said at times that the Celtic is "too close" (speaking of those with Celtic ancestry and living in Celtic societies) and therefore too intimately intertwined with one's inherent psyche and so many people overlook that choice of tradition as a means to working the mysteries. I think that you highlighted just that when you speak of each of us seeking out a different tradition when first coming to this path. Many times the myths and ways of one's own backyard are already so close to our everyday life that we can seemingly overlook them as a possibility even though they can be the most readily accepted and understood by our minds.
I too was like you in the fact that when I was doing my training within a coven structure, while I loved it, felt there was something missing. It was this something that I have found in working with S.O.L, and as I prepare to finish the first degree course, and look to the future of my training, I find myself deeply rooted in the qabalah as the backbone to that future growth.
I agree the internet is a great thing to help bridge the Gap of liked minded people over such a great distance. A beautiful thing too that there are schools out there like S.O.L and now B.O.E.L making such things a possibility.
In Light,
Kristian
Please don't apologize for needing to tend to life, that's what we are all here for after all :).
I find the parallels in the subjects we've been speaking of quite intriguing. It reinforces for me the fact that no matter where you are in this big wide world, the struggles and trials of life are still the same. All the more reason to remember the beauty that lies in the interconnectedness of us all :)
The parallels you outlined concerning my seeking out a European path and you a Native American one is quite interesting. Is the Bear Tradition widely known there?
This parallel reminds me of something that I believe it was Dolores had briefly stated concerning the Celtic traditions and people seeking out a different tradition to work with at first. She has said at times that the Celtic is "too close" (speaking of those with Celtic ancestry and living in Celtic societies) and therefore too intimately intertwined with one's inherent psyche and so many people overlook that choice of tradition as a means to working the mysteries. I think that you highlighted just that when you speak of each of us seeking out a different tradition when first coming to this path. Many times the myths and ways of one's own backyard are already so close to our everyday life that we can seemingly overlook them as a possibility even though they can be the most readily accepted and understood by our minds.
I too was like you in the fact that when I was doing my training within a coven structure, while I loved it, felt there was something missing. It was this something that I have found in working with S.O.L, and as I prepare to finish the first degree course, and look to the future of my training, I find myself deeply rooted in the qabalah as the backbone to that future growth.
I agree the internet is a great thing to help bridge the Gap of liked minded people over such a great distance. A beautiful thing too that there are schools out there like S.O.L and now B.O.E.L making such things a possibility.
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
> Please don't apologize for needing to tend to life, that's what we are all here for after all.
thank you, Kristian
I really do enjoy our conversation, your input is phantastic! Thank you!
> The parallels you outlined concerning my seeking out a European path and you a Native American one is quite interesting. Is the Bear Tradition widely known there?
I am not an expert on this, but I don't think so. It is just that some of my then friends were involved in it.
> She has said at times that the Celtic is "too close" (speaking of those with Celtic ancestry and living in Celtic societies) and therefore too intimately intertwined with one's inherent psyche and so many people overlook that choice of tradition as a means to working the mysteries.
Probably she is right in saying so. On the other hand, my own tradition (or rather that of my ancestors) should be Celtic as well, as far as I know, and I never chose it as "my main tradition", and I know I never will, because just like Shamanism it lacks the most important part. (Although I do not mind learning about the Celtic tradition, of course!)
> I think that you highlighted just that when you speak of each of us seeking out a different tradition when first coming to this path. Many times the myths and ways of one's own backyard are already so close to our everyday life that we can seemingly overlook them as a possibility even though they can be the most readily accepted and understood by our minds.
I think you have a point here. But then again, I think my reason to not realise the "tradition in my own backyard" i.e. magic and Qabbalah is simply that I did not think very highly of it at first, because I had read only poor books about it, from authors that did not understand the actual matter and who therefore disparaged and vulgarised the mysteries.
(This was of course years before I heard anything about Dion Fortune, Ernest Butler, and especially the rich Jewish Tradition including Jewish Mysticism which is the source of Qabbalah.)
So maybe it is just that the "tradition in our own backyard" does not have many of those adepts who have the spiritual wisdom and the development of the soul and the character training necessary to represent it in the way it should ideally be represented, or probably they are unknown to the seeker at first? I think in my case, it was rather this reason that made me look for "my" tradition elsewhere first.
For instance, It took me some time to finally find the outer court of this school, partly because Lodge Chayot ha-Qodesh had gone public with their outer court training (in 2003) only when I already had had more than ten years of searching already done, partly because even then in 2003 I had not been ready to accept that magic could be a genuine path to that what I was looking for. This happened as late as 2006 / 2007.
> It was this something that I have found in working with S.O.L, and as I prepare to finish the first degree course, and look to the future of my training, I find myself deeply rooted in the qabalah as the backbone to that future growth.
This is phantastic!, and I wish you good luck and success in finishing the first degree course, and then further carry on your training!
> I agree the internet is a great thing to help bridge the Gap of liked minded people over such a great distance. A beautiful thing too that there are schools out there like S.O.L and now B.O.E.L making such things a possibility.
Thank you, Kristian! And yes, I agree. We do what we can to open up and to offer our training to the true seekers whereever they live, and we prepare to offer a certain amount of it next year even to those who are not (yet) members of our school.
(We have to translate the texts of our teaching curriculum into English first, of course, which is quite an effort. But we think it is worth it!)
We think that it is important that our own tradition of Qabbalah and the Western Mysteries be represented in the best possible way, just in the way it was once done, long ago, and we want to contribute with our work and with our School in order to achieve this goal. (Our outer court training has been up and running since 2003.)
On the esoteric path,you often hear people say, oh dear, all the knowledge and wisdom of the ancients is gone and lost, we have but fragments of it and nowadays we will never be able to restore it so let us adore and honor the remnants of this wisdom of old and accept that we may never be able to achieve it ourselves- but I do not think that this is true. I do believe that all the knowledge and wisdom is still there - it is in our soul, i.e. our Higher Self, and it is with the higher beings that teach us once we are ready to receive these teachings - just as it is written that the Lord is with those who acknowledge the commandments and live in the right way, so that He is with them and He sends His angels to teach them, in order that they may learn and grow and achieve the adepthood necessary to receive the heavenly wisdom from its very source. So according to Jewish Mysticism, how could this holy wisdom and knowledge possibly be lost?
If something or someone is lost, then it is those of us who turned away from the very source of Light and Life - but we can always return once that we realise and know in our hearts that there is something to turn to. (And of course a place to go to, and teachings to attend to. It is good to know that no-one has to start from scratch)
Light, Life and Love,
Andrea
> Please don't apologize for needing to tend to life, that's what we are all here for after all
. thank you, Kristian
I really do enjoy our conversation, your input is phantastic! Thank you!
> The parallels you outlined concerning my seeking out a European path and you a Native American one is quite interesting. Is the Bear Tradition widely known there?
I am not an expert on this, but I don't think so. It is just that some of my then friends were involved in it.
> She has said at times that the Celtic is "too close" (speaking of those with Celtic ancestry and living in Celtic societies) and therefore too intimately intertwined with one's inherent psyche and so many people overlook that choice of tradition as a means to working the mysteries.
Probably she is right in saying so. On the other hand, my own tradition (or rather that of my ancestors) should be Celtic as well, as far as I know, and I never chose it as "my main tradition", and I know I never will, because just like Shamanism it lacks the most important part. (Although I do not mind learning about the Celtic tradition, of course!)
> I think that you highlighted just that when you speak of each of us seeking out a different tradition when first coming to this path. Many times the myths and ways of one's own backyard are already so close to our everyday life that we can seemingly overlook them as a possibility even though they can be the most readily accepted and understood by our minds.
I think you have a point here. But then again, I think my reason to not realise the "tradition in my own backyard" i.e. magic and Qabbalah is simply that I did not think very highly of it at first, because I had read only poor books about it, from authors that did not understand the actual matter and who therefore disparaged and vulgarised the mysteries.
(This was of course years before I heard anything about Dion Fortune, Ernest Butler, and especially the rich Jewish Tradition including Jewish Mysticism which is the source of Qabbalah.)
So maybe it is just that the "tradition in our own backyard" does not have many of those adepts who have the spiritual wisdom and the development of the soul and the character training necessary to represent it in the way it should ideally be represented, or probably they are unknown to the seeker at first? I think in my case, it was rather this reason that made me look for "my" tradition elsewhere first.
For instance, It took me some time to finally find the outer court of this school, partly because Lodge Chayot ha-Qodesh had gone public with their outer court training (in 2003) only when I already had had more than ten years of searching already done, partly because even then in 2003 I had not been ready to accept that magic could be a genuine path to that what I was looking for. This happened as late as 2006 / 2007.
> It was this something that I have found in working with S.O.L, and as I prepare to finish the first degree course, and look to the future of my training, I find myself deeply rooted in the qabalah as the backbone to that future growth.
This is phantastic!, and I wish you good luck and success in finishing the first degree course, and then further carry on your training!
> I agree the internet is a great thing to help bridge the Gap of liked minded people over such a great distance. A beautiful thing too that there are schools out there like S.O.L and now B.O.E.L making such things a possibility.
Thank you, Kristian! And yes, I agree. We do what we can to open up and to offer our training to the true seekers whereever they live, and we prepare to offer a certain amount of it next year even to those who are not (yet) members of our school.
(We have to translate the texts of our teaching curriculum into English first, of course, which is quite an effort. But we think it is worth it!)
We think that it is important that our own tradition of Qabbalah and the Western Mysteries be represented in the best possible way, just in the way it was once done, long ago, and we want to contribute with our work and with our School in order to achieve this goal. (Our outer court training has been up and running since 2003.)
On the esoteric path,you often hear people say, oh dear, all the knowledge and wisdom of the ancients is gone and lost, we have but fragments of it and nowadays we will never be able to restore it so let us adore and honor the remnants of this wisdom of old and accept that we may never be able to achieve it ourselves- but I do not think that this is true. I do believe that all the knowledge and wisdom is still there - it is in our soul, i.e. our Higher Self, and it is with the higher beings that teach us once we are ready to receive these teachings - just as it is written that the Lord is with those who acknowledge the commandments and live in the right way, so that He is with them and He sends His angels to teach them, in order that they may learn and grow and achieve the adepthood necessary to receive the heavenly wisdom from its very source. So according to Jewish Mysticism, how could this holy wisdom and knowledge possibly be lost?
If something or someone is lost, then it is those of us who turned away from the very source of Light and Life - but we can always return once that we realise and know in our hearts that there is something to turn to. (And of course a place to go to, and teachings to attend to. It is good to know that no-one has to start from scratch)
Light, Life and Love,
Andrea
Greetings Andrea,
It is great to hear from you again. I hope life has not been too overly hectic for you and that you have been rewarded with plenty of time for rest and relaxation.
-(We have to translate the texts of our teaching curriculum into English first, of course, which is quite an effort. But we think it is worth it!)
This is fantastic and is proof of all involved giving of themselves completely to that service of humanity that we speak of so often in the mysteries. I am so amazed that you would all make such a commitment of service to those seeking the path of the Mysteries, and too it is this dedication that shows through in all that you express here in your outward presentation of this site.
-On the esoteric path,you often hear people say, oh dear, all the knowledge and wisdom of the ancients is gone and lost, we have but fragments of it and nowadays we will never be able to restore it so let us adore and honor the remnants of this wisdom of old and accept that we may never be able to achieve it ourselves- but I do not think that this is true. I do believe that all the knowledge and wisdom is still there - it is in our soul, i.e. our Higher Self, and it is with the higher beings that teach us once we are ready to receive these teachings---
I couldn't agree with you more! I truly do believe that what we are a part of is a living tradition. One that has never left us, and is still present in the way you so perfectly expressed it, for all of us to still partake of, and too for us to contribute to. Also I too believe that those Higher Beings in which we come into contact on the Inner Planes are ever present and gently guiding and expressing to us this wisdom. I also agree with you that it is all still here now, and all that is needed is for us to continually work to become more receptive to this wisdom and knowledge in such a way as to allow ourselves to become ever more and more clear expressions of it.
-If something or someone is lost, then it is those of us who turned away from the very source of Light and Life - but we can always return once that we realise and know in our hearts that there is something to turn to. (And of course a place to go to, and teachings to attend to. It is good to know that no-one has to start from scratch) -
Here again I agree with you. I am reminded of the fact that it is our perception of Source that is ever reflected in our lives, and if we choose to turn from it, we are left with a sense of loss, craving more, but when we turn to face this source, and accept it without condition in our lives, we find that our very lives are blessed with the continual outpourings of Life and Light and Love.
Have a great day, and an even greater week.
In Light,
Kristian
It is great to hear from you again. I hope life has not been too overly hectic for you and that you have been rewarded with plenty of time for rest and relaxation.
-(We have to translate the texts of our teaching curriculum into English first, of course, which is quite an effort. But we think it is worth it!)
This is fantastic and is proof of all involved giving of themselves completely to that service of humanity that we speak of so often in the mysteries. I am so amazed that you would all make such a commitment of service to those seeking the path of the Mysteries, and too it is this dedication that shows through in all that you express here in your outward presentation of this site.
-On the esoteric path,you often hear people say, oh dear, all the knowledge and wisdom of the ancients is gone and lost, we have but fragments of it and nowadays we will never be able to restore it so let us adore and honor the remnants of this wisdom of old and accept that we may never be able to achieve it ourselves- but I do not think that this is true. I do believe that all the knowledge and wisdom is still there - it is in our soul, i.e. our Higher Self, and it is with the higher beings that teach us once we are ready to receive these teachings---
I couldn't agree with you more! I truly do believe that what we are a part of is a living tradition. One that has never left us, and is still present in the way you so perfectly expressed it, for all of us to still partake of, and too for us to contribute to. Also I too believe that those Higher Beings in which we come into contact on the Inner Planes are ever present and gently guiding and expressing to us this wisdom. I also agree with you that it is all still here now, and all that is needed is for us to continually work to become more receptive to this wisdom and knowledge in such a way as to allow ourselves to become ever more and more clear expressions of it.
-If something or someone is lost, then it is those of us who turned away from the very source of Light and Life - but we can always return once that we realise and know in our hearts that there is something to turn to. (And of course a place to go to, and teachings to attend to. It is good to know that no-one has to start from scratch) -
Here again I agree with you. I am reminded of the fact that it is our perception of Source that is ever reflected in our lives, and if we choose to turn from it, we are left with a sense of loss, craving more, but when we turn to face this source, and accept it without condition in our lives, we find that our very lives are blessed with the continual outpourings of Life and Light and Love.
Have a great day, and an even greater week.
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
here I am back again - and it's Samhain, too ;-)
Do you celebrate it? I did not because I was not at home this weekend (just returned from a workshop).
Meanwhile I did have indeed some time for rest and relaxation - I feel much better now.
> This is fantastic and is proof of all involved giving of themselves completely
> to that service of humanity that we speak of so often in the mysteries. I am
> so amazed that you would all make such a commitment of service to those
> seeking the path of the Mysteries, and too it is this dedication that shows
> through in all that you express here in your outward presentation of this
> site.
Thank you, Kristian! We do what we can. (Actually, this is what Salomo usually answers
> I truly do believe that what we are a part of is a living tradition.
Yes, certainly! I agree with you.
> I also agree with you that it is all still here now, and all that is needed
> is for us to continually work to become more receptive to this wisdom and
> knowledge in such a way as to allow ourselves to become ever more and
> more clear expressions of it.
Yes, this is exactly the point. You have expressed it beautifully.
> I am reminded of the fact that it is our perception of Source that
> is ever reflected in our lives, and if we choose to turn from it, we are left
> with a sense of loss, craving more,
yes, I agree - I think this is the reason for so many of our fellow men craving for goods, attention, food etc. (all sorts of consuming) so very much, i.e. in such an unbalanced way. They sense their loss but cannot tell what it is they are lacking, so they try to compensate by consuming, without realising that all this cannot give them what they need. (Only what they think they want.)
And since this is Samhain time let me add that it is a sad thought that many of them probably die without ever having realised this.
> but when we turn to face this source, and accept it without condition in our
> lives, we find that our very lives are blessed with the continual outpourings
> of Life and Light and Love.
What do you mean by "accept it without condition"? I am not sure whether we are thinking along the same lines here. I hope you don't mind me asking ;-)
> Have a great day, and an even greater week.
Thank you, Kristian - I wish you the same!
In Light,
Andrea
here I am back again - and it's Samhain, too ;-)
Do you celebrate it? I did not because I was not at home this weekend (just returned from a workshop).
Meanwhile I did have indeed some time for rest and relaxation - I feel much better now.
> This is fantastic and is proof of all involved giving of themselves completely
> to that service of humanity that we speak of so often in the mysteries. I am
> so amazed that you would all make such a commitment of service to those
> seeking the path of the Mysteries, and too it is this dedication that shows
> through in all that you express here in your outward presentation of this
> site.
Thank you, Kristian! We do what we can. (Actually, this is what Salomo usually answers
> I truly do believe that what we are a part of is a living tradition.
Yes, certainly! I agree with you.
> I also agree with you that it is all still here now, and all that is needed
> is for us to continually work to become more receptive to this wisdom and
> knowledge in such a way as to allow ourselves to become ever more and
> more clear expressions of it.
Yes, this is exactly the point. You have expressed it beautifully.
> I am reminded of the fact that it is our perception of Source that
> is ever reflected in our lives, and if we choose to turn from it, we are left
> with a sense of loss, craving more,
yes, I agree - I think this is the reason for so many of our fellow men craving for goods, attention, food etc. (all sorts of consuming) so very much, i.e. in such an unbalanced way. They sense their loss but cannot tell what it is they are lacking, so they try to compensate by consuming, without realising that all this cannot give them what they need. (Only what they think they want.)
And since this is Samhain time let me add that it is a sad thought that many of them probably die without ever having realised this.
> but when we turn to face this source, and accept it without condition in our
> lives, we find that our very lives are blessed with the continual outpourings
> of Life and Light and Love.
What do you mean by "accept it without condition"? I am not sure whether we are thinking along the same lines here. I hope you don't mind me asking ;-)
> Have a great day, and an even greater week.
Thank you, Kristian - I wish you the same!
In Light,
Andrea
Greetings Andrea,
It is so nice to be hearing from you again. I hope your time at the workshop was one of enjoyment.
- and it's Samhain, too
Do you celebrate it?
Indeed I do, and enjoyed a quiet ritual this weekend.
-What do you mean by "accept it without condition"?
I don't mind you asking at all. The asking of questions is one of the best ways to come to understand oneself (in the fact they have to clarify what they express), and also a way for all involved to expand their consciousness of the subject involved.
What I meant when I expressed the phrase " accept it without condition" is the fact that we can get caught up sometimes in the belief that, I will allow the source of light to permeate my life, but not this part or that part. We may feel that parts of ourselves do not fit into that ideal of what the light is, and through that feeling of "not good enough for it" or " I don't want to give that part of myself up" we cut that aspect of ourselves off from that source, thus limiting how that light may in fact come to expression in our lives. For example, you spoke of how many of our fellow men crave goods, and food, and so forth. If we accept the source of light into our lives, but think, I wish for it to permeate my wisdom, or this aspect or that aspect, but NOT say, our diet, or the craving for possessions, we create a "condition" as to what aspects it may permeate and what aspects it may not.
By simply allowing oneself to open fully to the light, and letting it to flow through one in as open a way as possible, and not saying to where in our lives it may flow we allow it it's full expression, and do not limit it through any condition.
Again it was great chatting with you.
Have a great week. :)
In Light,
Kristian
It is so nice to be hearing from you again. I hope your time at the workshop was one of enjoyment.
- and it's Samhain, too
Do you celebrate it?
Indeed I do, and enjoyed a quiet ritual this weekend.
-What do you mean by "accept it without condition"?
I don't mind you asking at all. The asking of questions is one of the best ways to come to understand oneself (in the fact they have to clarify what they express), and also a way for all involved to expand their consciousness of the subject involved.
What I meant when I expressed the phrase " accept it without condition" is the fact that we can get caught up sometimes in the belief that, I will allow the source of light to permeate my life, but not this part or that part. We may feel that parts of ourselves do not fit into that ideal of what the light is, and through that feeling of "not good enough for it" or " I don't want to give that part of myself up" we cut that aspect of ourselves off from that source, thus limiting how that light may in fact come to expression in our lives. For example, you spoke of how many of our fellow men crave goods, and food, and so forth. If we accept the source of light into our lives, but think, I wish for it to permeate my wisdom, or this aspect or that aspect, but NOT say, our diet, or the craving for possessions, we create a "condition" as to what aspects it may permeate and what aspects it may not.
By simply allowing oneself to open fully to the light, and letting it to flow through one in as open a way as possible, and not saying to where in our lives it may flow we allow it it's full expression, and do not limit it through any condition.
Again it was great chatting with you.
Have a great week. :)
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
thank you for your quick reply.
I did indeed enjoy our workshop very much, it was very interesting and quite enlightening, with a subject appropriate to the season / time of year.
> Indeed I do, and enjoyed a quiet ritual this weekend.
This sounds very nice! I think that especially at Samhain it is really important to "go with the flow" of energies, and honour this time, because it indeed does have a great impact. The other time of year that I experience in a similar strong way is Beltane.
> I don't mind you asking at all. The asking of questions is
> one of the best ways to come to understand oneself (in the fact
> they have to clarify what they express), and also a way for all
> involved to expand their consciousness of the subject involved.
I could not agree more with you. May I suggest, therefore, that we take a little walk, so to speak, and continue to discuss this matter elsewhere? I am afraid it might get lost in this forum. People might not expect a discussion of this sort here. In fact, we are quite off-topic here
I would like to suggest either the Qabbalah forum,
if that be the main focus of our further discussion (if we make it that) or the forum for the "Western Mystery Tradition and other Occult Topics"
if we keep the matter more general.
What do you think?
If you agree, please feel free to start off a new thread in either of these forums, and we will continue there, and hopefully some more participants of the General Open Forum will join in. You can simply copy and paste the text needed into the new thread and off we go.
Is that OK with you?
We will also need a meaningful and appropriate thread name so that people will know at first glance what the discussion is about. (If you agree but prefer me to open a new thread, that will be OK, too.)
In Light,
Andrea
thank you for your quick reply.
I did indeed enjoy our workshop very much, it was very interesting and quite enlightening, with a subject appropriate to the season / time of year.
> Indeed I do, and enjoyed a quiet ritual this weekend.
This sounds very nice! I think that especially at Samhain it is really important to "go with the flow" of energies, and honour this time, because it indeed does have a great impact. The other time of year that I experience in a similar strong way is Beltane.
> I don't mind you asking at all. The asking of questions is
> one of the best ways to come to understand oneself (in the fact
> they have to clarify what they express), and also a way for all
> involved to expand their consciousness of the subject involved.
I could not agree more with you. May I suggest, therefore, that we take a little walk, so to speak, and continue to discuss this matter elsewhere? I am afraid it might get lost in this forum. People might not expect a discussion of this sort here. In fact, we are quite off-topic here
I would like to suggest either the Qabbalah forum,
if that be the main focus of our further discussion (if we make it that) or the forum for the "Western Mystery Tradition and other Occult Topics"
if we keep the matter more general.
What do you think?
If you agree, please feel free to start off a new thread in either of these forums, and we will continue there, and hopefully some more participants of the General Open Forum will join in. You can simply copy and paste the text needed into the new thread and off we go.
Is that OK with you? We will also need a meaningful and appropriate thread name so that people will know at first glance what the discussion is about. (If you agree but prefer me to open a new thread, that will be OK, too.)
In Light,
Andrea
Greetings Andrea,
I agree completely with what you suggest, and had similar concerns earlier when our little thread started to get a bit deeper in discussion.
I would ask though, that you please start the new thread, as to the fact that you are more familiar with this forum, and the people who frequent here, and would have a better insight as to where to place the subject at hand...
In Light,
Kristian
I agree completely with what you suggest, and had similar concerns earlier when our little thread started to get a bit deeper in discussion.
I would ask though, that you please start the new thread, as to the fact that you are more familiar with this forum, and the people who frequent here, and would have a better insight as to where to place the subject at hand...
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
> I agree completely with what you suggest, and had similar concerns
> earlier when our little thread started to get a bit deeper in discussion.
so had I but this is an Introduction forum, after all, so it should be OK to chat about this and that, because this forum is about to become acquainted with everybody, after all.
But we can certainly draw the line at a point when there is a clearly defined subject that might also be of interest to other participants.
(In fact, we have introduced a new forum structure here that differs greatly from that of our older German forum, and we have yet to find out what works and what doesn't. There aren't any fixed rules yet concerning situations like this.)
I started a new thread here in the Western Mystery Tradition forum and I hope that you approve of my compilation of our conversation so far. If you would prefer something changed or added, please tell me. I can edit it any time.
LLL
Andrea
> I agree completely with what you suggest, and had similar concerns
> earlier when our little thread started to get a bit deeper in discussion.
so had I
but this is an Introduction forum, after all, so it should be OK to chat about this and that, because this forum is about to become acquainted with everybody, after all. But we can certainly draw the line at a point when there is a clearly defined subject that might also be of interest to other participants.
(In fact, we have introduced a new forum structure here that differs greatly from that of our older German forum, and we have yet to find out what works and what doesn't. There aren't any fixed rules yet concerning situations like this.)
I started a new thread here in the Western Mystery Tradition forum and I hope that you approve of my compilation of our conversation so far. If you would prefer something changed or added, please tell me. I can edit it any time.
LLL
Andrea
Hello Kristian,
after the "administrative" parts are dealt with, we can return to our little chat
> I don't mind you asking at all. The asking of questions is
> one of the best ways to come to understand oneself (in the fact
> they have to clarify what they express), and also a way for all
> involved to expand their consciousness of the subject involved.
You are absolutely right, and this is also a main part of Jewish tradition. In fact, Jews and Qabbalists of all times are quite famous for their questioning of everything. I think you already know that
Probably we will be able to establish a similar tradition here in this open forum, too, with serious people who are deeply and with dedication involved in their occult studies. I think we might just have made a start. Let us open up a new thread on this, too ;-) (Ok, this is a joke, but we can make it true nonetheless if we so wish - are you game?)
In Light,
Andrea
after the "administrative" parts are dealt with, we can return to our little chat
> I don't mind you asking at all. The asking of questions is
> one of the best ways to come to understand oneself (in the fact
> they have to clarify what they express), and also a way for all
> involved to expand their consciousness of the subject involved.
You are absolutely right, and this is also a main part of Jewish tradition. In fact, Jews and Qabbalists of all times are quite famous for their questioning of everything. I think you already know that
Probably we will be able to establish a similar tradition here in this open forum, too, with serious people who are deeply and with dedication involved in their occult studies. I think we might just have made a start. Let us open up a new thread on this, too ;-) (Ok, this is a joke, but we can make it true nonetheless if we so wish - are you game?)
In Light,
Andrea
Hello Andrea,
-Ok, this is a joke, but we can make it true nonetheless if we so wish - are you game?)
If you so wish we may very well do that.... Again, I leave you to lead the way :)
In Light,
Kristian
-Ok, this is a joke, but we can make it true nonetheless if we so wish - are you game?)
If you so wish we may very well do that.... Again, I leave you to lead the way :)
In Light,
Kristian
Hello Kristian,
we are one of a kind
But no, I think now it is your turn to start off a new thread - I suggest to choose once again the Western Mysteries forum, but if you want to give some more emphasis on Qabbalah and make it a mainly qabbalistic thread, then you might want to choose the Qabbalah forum instead.
Thank you!
In Light,
Andrea
we are one of a kind
But no, I think now it is your turn to start off a new thread - I suggest to choose once again the Western Mysteries forum, but if you want to give some more emphasis on Qabbalah and make it a mainly qabbalistic thread, then you might want to choose the Qabbalah forum instead.
Thank you!
In Light,
Andrea